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dale snyder

Posts: 509
From: Lakewood Township, Duluth
Registered: Oct 21, 2002
Re: Minnesota Mediocre: Exists
Posted: May 12, 2003 6:53 AM
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I agree with motion eight.

Welcome back Gabriel!

I prefer Talking Tina.

Mays Newman

Posts: 92
Registered: Apr 29, 2003
Re: Minnesota Mediocre: Exists
Posted: May 12, 2003 8:44 AM
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> I do not hide anything about myself. Those
> individuals that you would have Ray speak to; you can
> even name. You even hide yourself.
>
> I am a "in your face, straight forward guy". But I
> am no bully. I do confront cowardice and stupidity
> were it lives. We seem to be living in a time that
> the stupid call anyone who stands up for principles,
> for truth a bully.
>
> I will tell some of the juicy gossip recently spat
> about me;
> It is said that I was once in attendance at a
> gathering of art teachers and artist, I stood in
> front of some "good" souls in the art community and
> bared my ass in front of them. That is some of what
> the "good" community says about me.
>
> The truth is I stood in front of someone exploiting
> the Latino art community and spoke of the immorality
> of demographic rape; the claim of serving a minority
> community in order to secure funding for none
> minority organizations and with my pant protectively
> cover my ass I stood in front of them as I spoke of
> the children who were exploited.
>
> I know that a great many people are afraid of what I
> say. I know how to do cost/benefit analysist. Most
> Arts organizations can not be justified after such
> scrutiny. It is the one thing a champion most. I
> both feared and hated for it. But the times are on
> my side now.
>
> They should be. They have consistently defrauded the
> community at large by not delivering the services
> they claimed they would.
>
> I have been preaching about these "cuts" coming.
> They are here now. Those that hate me now have to
> answer to their own numbers.
>
> I am getting plenty of quiet "yeah you were right"
> conversations for the key people in power.
>
> Mays; cowardice and dishonesty is always revealed
> directly.
> You are talking about someone you have never met. And
> you will never meet me because you are mask. You are
> talking about what others are talking about and none
> of you are real people. You will not come forward
> and sign your real names to the "real" statements.
>
> I am not afraid. I am a real man and I make real
> commitments to real people.
>
>
> There are those who know all about coyote
>
> Armando Guttierez G
> Alejandro Trujillo
> Luis Fitch
>
> They have been aware of what I do and why. Each on
> thier own has summoned me to act. They know I take
> on what no one else has the courage to do. They
> often are horrified by the resulting battle, but each
> still places the call to me as needed.
>
> What Luis said at the realization of what had
> happened as a result of his call at the vote at MAEPS
> annual was what is the new truth for me." you don't
> belong to the Latinos, man , you got the white vote;
> you belong to Minnesota!!"
>
>
> If you ask Ray to ask around; give him names, do it
> in open; Like a "man" come out of your hiding and
> speak truth.
>
> Coyote 256


I'm a coward and hiding because I don't want to reveal where I went to school and I don't want to circulate rumors? Remarkable. Perhaps one day we will meet, and you can explain all of this to me. I prefer to wait till then before I decide for myself what people are saying about you.

Or perhaps you can explain to me here. What exactly was/is your point about art? What are you trying to prove? Is not attacking the arts in this state akin to, in terms of cruelty, shooting ducks in a rainbarrel? What do you mean when you speak of fraud? Do you have anything constructive to say? Can you speak your point clearly and rationally--as opposed to hiding, yes hiding, behind the ruse of rant of questionable sanity? What's with this coyote thing anyway?

How helpful is it so say, after the fact: "look, I told you we were going to go through hard times." Every artist and art-organization knew this as soon as the economy turned downward. There have been scads of articles written on the subject over the past two years. It happens during every economic downturn. Do you have anything original to offer?

Danny Smith

Posts: 182
Registered: Nov 9, 2002
Re: Minnesota Mediocre: Exists
Posted: May 12, 2003 7:49 PM
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oh mays, you opened up a big ass can with the coyote question...

as for jimmy's ideas on "A"rt, read "Dialogue". all will be clear.

dale snyder

Posts: 509
From: Lakewood Township, Duluth
Registered: Oct 21, 2002
Re: Minnesota Mediocre: Exists
Posted: May 12, 2003 8:19 PM
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Danny's right. Just relax and see what happens. Things are happening that haven't happened ever before anywhere.

Ray Rolfe

Posts: 3,263
From: Northeast Minneapolis
Registered: Sep 5, 2001
Re: Minnesota Mediocre: Exists
Posted: May 13, 2003 2:45 AM
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Danny, is it possible for you to procure an afghan from your grandma? I was thinking about it, and I would love to respectfully include one in our first exhibition. What do you say? Can you ask her? Just tell her I insist that she is a famous artist. In curating this piece for exhibition, I'm making some sort of statement of warmth and kind love. It would be sweet doncha think?
~R

Danny Smith

Posts: 182
Registered: Nov 9, 2002
Re: Minnesota Mediocre: Exists
Posted: May 13, 2003 12:59 PM
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lol. i'll see what i can do.

Danny Smith

Posts: 182
Registered: Nov 9, 2002
Re: Minnesota Mediocre: Exists
Posted: May 13, 2003 8:38 PM
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a quote i think you cats might be interested in:

"we must turn our artists into craftsmen and our craftsmen into artists." --Walter Crane.

dale snyder

Posts: 509
From: Lakewood Township, Duluth
Registered: Oct 21, 2002
Re: Minnesota Mediocre: Exists
Posted: May 13, 2003 8:40 PM
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Now can we find someone who can make a decent pair of moccasins?

Moose hide, with double soles, and ankle height?

Good for work or play!

dale snyder

Posts: 509
From: Lakewood Township, Duluth
Registered: Oct 21, 2002
Re: Minnesota Mediocre: Exists
Posted: May 13, 2003 8:42 PM
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Excellent quote Danny. Words to live by.

Colin Rusch

Posts: 1,435
Registered: Oct 16, 2002
Re: Minnesota Mediocre: Exists
Posted: May 14, 2003 12:31 AM
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> Danny, is it possible for you to procure an afghan
> from your grandma? I was thinking about it, and I
> would love to respectfully include one in our first
> exhibition.
> ~R

What a great idea! My grandma used to make afghans all the time. They were the best. My mom has them all now. It seems perfect for the MM concept.

Colin

jaime longoria

Posts: 1,161
Registered: Oct 7, 2002
Re: Minnesota Mediocre: Exists
Posted: May 14, 2003 9:46 AM
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> oh mays, you opened up a big ass can with the coyote
> question...
>
> as for jimmy's ideas on "A"rt, read "Dialogue". all
> will be clear.

I just about died laughing!!!

But I am very busy right now. I am doing a coyote mural thing with Artrujillo for the next two weeks, and I need to spend time getting the MM constitution ready for the members to review.

Yeah it is happening real fast.

Thanks Danny for refering people to the Dialogue-- It is going to be an important document as we become real; MM.

We have nominations in, would the members like to conviene in person or should we elect over the E?

Did you notice that we have had a E meeting on the post Colin?


jaime

Message was edited by: jaime longoria at May 14, 2003 9:47 AM


Colin Rusch

Posts: 1,435
Registered: Oct 16, 2002
Re: Minnesota Mediocre: Exists
Posted: May 14, 2003 5:17 PM
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> Did you notice that we have had a E meeting on the
> post Colin?
>
Yep. It is a nice use of the site.

Colin

Ray Rolfe

Posts: 3,263
From: Northeast Minneapolis
Registered: Sep 5, 2001
Re: Minnesota Mediocre: Exists
Posted: May 14, 2003 8:37 PM
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"""We have nominations in, would the members like to conviene in person or should we elect over the E?"""

Lets do both

Ray Rolfe

Posts: 3,263
From: Northeast Minneapolis
Registered: Sep 5, 2001
Re: Minnesota Mediocre: Exists
Posted: May 15, 2003 3:29 AM
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We gotcho "Articals of Incorparation" right here son.

jaime longoria

Posts: 1,161
Registered: Oct 7, 2002
Re: Minnesota Mediocre: Exists
Posted: May 16, 2003 7:52 AM
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> We gotcho "Articals of Incorparation" right here son.

Did you down load from the State site? Or do you have a hard copy?

I have started a mural and am very pooped each end of the day.

Can we plan on convening say Saturday Morning, May 24?

Jaime

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