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William Lager

Posts: 64
From: Minneapolis, MN
Registered: Jul 28, 2003

Welcome to the Visual Art Responses Forum
Posted: Oct 5, 2005 10:15 AM

Welcome to the forum where we can discuss the visual arts articles that have been posted. You are free to start a new thread for any specific article, or simply write about any idea or issue that the articles on visual arts have been raised for you. You can also comment on the quality of the articles: their insight or lack of same; their accuracy, helpfulness, or interest.

We’re hoping that these article forums can provide another place for the visual arts community to get together, discuss issues, foment projects, and have a good time. Thanks for your involvement!

Ann Klefstad

Jimmy longoria

Posts: 112
From: Minnesota
Registered: Oct 6, 2005

Re: Welcome to the Visual Art Responses Forum
Posted: Oct 25, 2005 9:06 PM

And the Coyote stared into the sun with both eyes open until he "yawned" and fell asleep. He dreampt that the sky was full of little suns, millions of little suns buzzing around in the darkness like bees in a cave. He passed gas and waited for it to catch fire in his closed eyes. But his ears began to hear his own heart and the beat distracted his nose long enough for the little suns to burn out of his mind.

Ah, he was dreaming of an Art Crawl inside of M. Falls on Words Head.

Jaime
story teller of 2006

Bob Schulz

Posts: 416
From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003

Re: Welcome to the Visual Art Responses Forum
Posted: Oct 25, 2005 11:25 PM

Hey, I think you just wrote a Ginsberg poem!

Jimmy longoria

Posts: 112
From: Minnesota
Registered: Oct 6, 2005

Re: Welcome to the Visual Art Responses Forum
Posted: Nov 1, 2005 9:04 AM

> Hey, I think you just wrote a Ginsberg poem!

Thank you for noticing my "other" art form.

cac

Ray Rolfe

Posts: 3,263
From: Northeast Minneapolis
Registered: Sep 5, 2001

Re: Welcome to the Visual Art Responses Forum
Posted: Nov 1, 2005 6:16 PM

I thought it was great too. You have your future dream self telling life rhythm narrative. I'm happy you connect sun pulse and galactic buzz to heart beat breath. It is not distraction. They are a connected systems.
Maybe a carrier wave for the dreaming?

Kathleen Kvern

Posts: 38
Registered: Jul 8, 2004

Re: Welcome to the Visual Art Responses Forum
Posted: Nov 15, 2005 9:07 AM

Ann,
Thanks for this piece on the MCP photo bravo auction...I'm looking forward to what this series brings.
I've been involved in several art auctions to benefit excellent arts organizations and I agree that doing it right (by the artists!) is not easy.
It seems what you're saying--and I agree completely--is that the real issue with arts organizations is the "organization" of the organization.
Board development, staff, and all these details need to be strong before an organization can look to their benefit events to make a difference.
I'm interested in considering this question more--and wondering if organizations like Springboard for the Arts are coming up with any strategies or "out of the box" thinking around organizational development.
Thanks again Ann.
Kathleen

Ann Klefstad

Posts: 95
Registered: Nov 29, 2002

Re: Welcome to the Visual Art Responses Forum
Posted: Nov 15, 2005 9:41 PM

Thanks, KAthleen-- I'm working to put together more fundraising / collecting pieces. Arts infrastructure is something that artists and bureaucrats need to understand better, I think--in terms of, what are the consequences of this choice rather than that one?

Jimmy longoria

Posts: 112
From: Minnesota
Registered: Oct 6, 2005

Re: Welcome to the Visual Art Responses Forum
Posted: Dec 2, 2005 9:23 AM

> Thanks, KAthleen-- I'm working to put together more
> fundraising / collecting pieces. Arts infrastructure
> is something that artists and bureaucrats need to
> understand better, I think--in terms of, what are the
> consequences of this choice rather than that one?

Ladies your nicey nice chit chat here does not acknowledge what is really goin on in the Art Funding Paradign. The money is vanishing.
I will share with you a secret; I am being solicited by non art organizations to devise approaches to "capturing" Art/ Educational monies. I am being "paid" to betray my brother and sister Artist to to allow non artists ( $15/hr ) service workers to do "art" instead of the "Artists" ($35-50/hr) in residencies.

It is pervasive: All sorts of organizations are asking for this service; the significance to your line of stories? Think about it. Funding for Artists is comming to a close; as it does the funding that remains will be funneled to Artist don't really need it; this has already happened in social services; you need to have a "smart" writer write about Art Funding in a big picture format.

Your Friendly Chicano Artist de Minnesota
coyote infinity

Sam Spiczka

Posts: 1,671
From: Sartell, MN
Registered: Jul 20, 2001

Re: Welcome to the Visual Art Responses Forum
Posted: Dec 2, 2005 12:45 PM

You continue to miss the point, Jaime. The people that will buy those mass-produced "art" objects would not buy real Art anyway. They are not "our" market. As the world is inundated with cheap, perfectly reproduced nonsense, it will make the qualit, hand-crafted, authentic human expression more valuable, not less.

Look at the perfect transmission of music via P2P systems. The result is the de-valuing of the particular, perfectly produced solo track. But then why do new bands give away downloads and sign up for sites that freely distribute their music? Because as the sounds goes out into the ether, it increases the cache of their live, concert performances. And in the end, nickels and dimes are nice, but a pretty girl/guy throwing their underwear at you on stage is priceless.

Ray Rolfe

Posts: 3,263
From: Northeast Minneapolis
Registered: Sep 5, 2001

Re: Welcome to the Visual Art Responses Forum
Posted: Dec 3, 2005 3:37 AM

interesting

Jimmy longoria

Posts: 112
From: Minnesota
Registered: Oct 6, 2005

Re: Welcome to the Visual Art Responses Forum
Posted: Dec 3, 2005 7:15 AM

> You continue to miss the point, Jaime. The people
> that will buy those mass-produced "art" objects would
> not buy real Art anyway. They are not "our" market.
> As the world is inundated with cheap, perfectly
> reproduced nonsense, it will make the qualit,
> hand-crafted, authentic human expression more
> valuable, not less.
>
> Look at the perfect transmission of music via P2P
> systems. The result is the de-valuing of the
> particular, perfectly produced solo track. But then
> why do new bands give away downloads and sign up for
> sites that freely distribute their music? Because as
> the sounds goes out into the ether, it increases the
> cache of their live, concert performances. And in
> the end, nickels and dimes are nice, but a pretty
> girl/guy throwing their underwear at you on stage is
> priceless.

Dear friend I do miss the point! I am making it. Craftless( produced without any apprentice acquired skill) work will continue to appear to ship shoad intelects; but our kind of art will remain in the same rarafied circles of appreciation( as when Cuevas recogmended my work to a qualified collector). But my issue is that there will be a great deal of "psychic pain" for all of those Art wannabes; I am compassionate man Sam; Think of all of those students that had parents spend all of that money to get them a "MFA" ticket and now have to face the reality that Art is made by Artists one piece at a time and not by "career".

Jaime

Gabriel Combs

Posts: 1,497
Registered: Jun 16, 2002

Re: Welcome to the Visual Art Responses Forum
Posted: Dec 5, 2005 10:53 AM

I would like to say, more for the benefit of those unfamiliar with Jaimes' Coyote antics, that Ann Klefstad is cool, and so is Glenn Gordon. I don't personally share all the animosity towards VACUUM either.

jaime longoria

Posts: 1,161
Registered: Oct 7, 2002

Re: Welcome to the Visual Art Responses Forum
Posted: Dec 5, 2005 8:34 PM

> I would like to say, more for the benefit of those
> unfamiliar with Jaimes' Coyote antics, that Ann
> Klefstad is cool, and so is Glenn Gordon. I don't
> personally share all the animosity towards VACUUM
> either.

No one ever said she was'nt cool. The point is that "Art Funding" is changing. And it will impact all of those that put thier o=hopes in systems that are unsupportable. You and other "outsuders" will continue to make Art but a lot of others will wke up to a very sad day; a wasted life.

The question is weather she is thinking about the "Art" world and helping writers "see" what is going on; that is what an editor does; not just giving "bread crumb jobs" to friends!

As for VACUM; where the hell are they? When we need real discussion about the issues in Art they are "gutless".

I really have no animosity toward anyone. I simply take a stand on a point instead of just going along with the "crowd".

Coyote Infinity
Chicano Artist De Minnesota

jaime longoria

Posts: 1,161
Registered: Oct 7, 2002

Re: Welcome to the Visual Art Responses Forum
Posted: Dec 5, 2005 8:51 PM

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> Welcome to the forum where we can discuss the visual
> arts articles that have been posted. You are free to
> start a new thread for any specific article, or
> simply write about any idea or issue that the
> articles on visual arts have been raised for you. You
> can also comment on the quality of the articles:
> their insight or lack of same; their accuracy,
> helpfulness, or interest.
>
> We’re hoping that these article forums can provide
> another place for the visual arts community to get
> together, discuss issues, foment projects, and have a
> good time. Thanks for your involvement!
>
> Ann Klefstad

I find this drawing interesting as a complex action of the "artist" in respect to her "writing". Which is tragically more of the "lou lou" art giberrish that so many youngsters seem to garble as psuedo intelligent!

Ray Rolfe

Posts: 3,263
From: Northeast Minneapolis
Registered: Sep 5, 2001

Re: Welcome to the Visual Art Responses Forum
Posted: Dec 5, 2005 11:49 PM

Note to the above:
The writing which gos with the drawing, called "Floss", follows.

"""
Statement

In response to a person losing the ability to take care of their own basic needs during terminal illness, this work simply shows myself performing those things taken for granted that most are able to do on a daily basis."""

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