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Colin Rusch

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Music Presenters
Posted: Aug 23, 2005 10:26 AM
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Please join mnartists.org 7-8:30pm on Tuesday August 30 for an online discussion on presenting popular music with guest panelists Steve McClellan from First Avenue, Chris Osgood, Springboard for the Arts and The Suicide Commandos, and J.P. Renquist, Nor Shor. The conversation will address lessons learned in the past 30 year and what the music scene wants and needs now.


Oren Goldberg

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Re: Music Presenters
Posted: Aug 29, 2005 9:16 PM
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Wish I could be there, but I have to work. WIll this be archived?

Colin Rusch

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Re: Music Presenters
Posted: Aug 30, 2005 4:54 PM
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Oren, thanks for your message. The conversation will be archived. Check back when you have a moment.

Colin

Steve McClellan

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Re: Music Presenters
Posted: Aug 30, 2005 4:58 PM
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All right since I've not really looked into what the mmartists.org is, I'm surprised by the number of artists using the site.

Also, I would like to mention that I'm presently doing more volunteer work for DEMO (Diverse Emerging Music Organization) and teaching part time at the McNally Smith College of Music in downtown St. Paul while First Avenue and myself are working out the details of my new role with the venue.

SO, in introduction, I'm wondering if it's possible to have DEMO mentioned along with the teaching part.

Other than that I can rant for a long time about what's happening to the "music presenters" in the world of independent venues and businesses as it is larger than just bidding wars for artists and capturing sponsorship monies to support the "haves" and not the "have nots".

SO, Colin, when do you want me to start the rant or introduce or whatever it is I"m going to be following with tonight's moderator?

Steve

Colin Rusch

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Re: Music Presenters
Posted: Aug 30, 2005 5:49 PM
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Steve,

We'll get started at 7pm tonight. But, you can start as early as you want.

Best,
Colin

Colin Rusch

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Re: Music Presenters
Posted: Aug 30, 2005 6:59 PM
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Hi Everyone,

It is just about 7pm and time to get started. First, thank you to Steve, Chris, and JP for joining us tonight. I am very much looking forward to the discussion. Second, as many of you know the server for mnartists.org occasionally has trouble during times of heavy traffic. If the server crashes please wait a few minutes and log back in.

Best,
Colin

Colin Rusch

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Re: Music Presenters
Posted: Aug 30, 2005 7:01 PM
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My first question is for Steve and Chris, primarily. What are the biggest differences you see in presenting music now versus when you started? And when did you start?

Colin Rusch

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Re: Music Presenters
Posted: Aug 30, 2005 7:06 PM
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I looks like Steve and Chris have not logged in yet. JP, can you give us an update on what's happening with the Nor Shor?

Steve McClellan

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Re: Music Presenters
Posted: Aug 30, 2005 7:07 PM
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Hi Colin,
Start what? Bartending at Uncle Sams Disco in 1973. Booking First Avenue/Sams in 1977. AND, I definitely didn't know what I was starting at the time. If I'd met Chris right away, I could have saved some time in whatever it was I was trying to do back then.
Biggest change? it's a matter of perspective depending where you are at in the business, but I think I can sum it up.........."NOTHING HAS CHANGED, EVERYTHING HAS CHANGED"......
Steve

Colin Rusch

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Re: Music Presenters
Posted: Aug 30, 2005 7:09 PM
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Steve, what happened when you met Chris?

Colin Rusch

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Re: Music Presenters
Posted: Aug 30, 2005 7:12 PM
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Also, Steve, what are the essential aspects of presenting music in clubs in Minneapolis that have not changed since the late 70's?

J.P. Rennquist

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From: Duluth MN
Registered: Aug 20, 2005
Re: Music Presenters
Posted: Aug 30, 2005 7:12 PM
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Hi,

I just got to the right forum page.

What's going on? at the NorShor. Where do I begin ...

Colin Rusch

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Re: Music Presenters
Posted: Aug 30, 2005 7:13 PM
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To everyone out there lurking, please feel free to ask questions and offer thoughts.

J.P. Rennquist

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Re: Music Presenters
Posted: Aug 30, 2005 7:15 PM
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Let me explain a bit.

the Historic NorShor Theater is a venue that is nearly 100 years old in downtown Duluth.

We are a bit on the alternative side of art. LOTs of live music, some live theater, some alternative cinema, dance, etc.

Fast forwarding to our most recent piece of history, though. The theater was closed indefinitely earlier this month after a period of turmoil, really beginning with the cultural shift away from large cinemas, but a shift that continued in the 1990s and the place has had 3 or 4 management teams in the last 3 years.

Steve McClellan

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Re: Music Presenters
Posted: Aug 30, 2005 7:16 PM
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OK, I should answer that myself, WHAT DO I MEAN NOTHING HAS CHANGED and EVERYTHING HAS CHANGED?

Well, in many senses the entire talent buyer system is the same. Institutions, venues, corporations, and individual promoters all opt to gain the "history" with artists that will make them money in the future by risking as little as possible in the process. As anyone in the business realizes, this history is developed through the working relationships one has in the business. That is why the talent buyer with the deep pockets behind him has the advantage over other bidders on artists (this is particularly evident when dealing with the agencies like William Morris and CAA). I always like to say that the larger agencies were my first experience where the seller/supplier of a commodity/product could treat the majority of their customers with arrogance and not caring if there is a return customer until either history with the artist is presented or monetary might is evident.
Anyway, the business is very similar with the exception of staffs and talent have all evolved or changed totally. Some of the larger agencies have gone down, while many of the larger talent buyers were absorbed by a larger pocket, that of Clear Channel.
Now, the internet certainly has opened up the playing field tremendously, as anyone who's offered for talent without speaking to a single live person in the process.
Ok, I better go back to see if anyone is listening.
Steve

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