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ilya natarius

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From: Eden Prairie, MN
Registered: Aug 30, 2005
need a few artists opinions.
Posted: Aug 31, 2005 6:11 PM
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i recently made a piece, but have not gotten much feedback on it. perhaps some of you can comment or critize on it. As it says in my gallery, i made this in photoshop, so thats to be remembered as well. this is not hand drawn. ive attached the picture with this message.


Ray Rolfe

Posts: 3,263
From: Northeast Minneapolis
Registered: Sep 5, 2001
Re: need a few artists opinions.
Posted: Aug 31, 2005 8:36 PM
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I actually saw that in your gallery. I looked after you introduced yourself.
I like it, think it's cool. I've been wanting to learn how to do that type of stylizing. How did you do it?
I know you start with a photograph or other graphic input right?

Now, can you make it work!? Turn it into an mp3 player with working buttons and scratch abilities? Like with "Flash" or something. You would have a bazillion downloads.

ilya natarius

Posts: 15
From: Eden Prairie, MN
Registered: Aug 30, 2005
Re: need a few artists opinions.
Posted: Aug 31, 2005 9:41 PM
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heh, i wish i knew flash, i have animation this year in school, maybe ill learn it there. Anyway, yes you do start with a photo. you can either go over it and stylize it in that fashion or use the photo as a reference and draw it out from scratch with the pen tool, and other various vector tools. although, for both methods, you follow it using shadows and different color tones as references. find a good starting place and work your way from there. you have to zoom in real close to get all the little slight changes in color, etc.

Robb Quisling

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Registered: Aug 24, 2005
Re: need a few artists opinions.
Posted: Sep 5, 2005 1:11 AM
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Hello group,
I need some opinions too. I am working on a paper in which I notice people who seem to be changing their body of work from a loud large style to a more traditional one. Damian Hirst, for example has begun to paint oil on canvas naturalist work. Matthew Barney has begun to do small scale drawings. The more I look the more of that sort of thing I see. At first I didn't believe them and thought they were referencing sincerity as a device. I thought they may be loudly shouting "hey everybody don't look at me". I wonder about the artists doing extremely remote work also. In the summer edition of Art Forum there was an article about work in the middle of the desert and so on. Now I am wondering if the dynamic of the art world is applying pressure to behave that way. I would like to see what this community thinks and if anyone else wonders if authentic is being mixed up as a design principle.
RQ

Ray Rolfe

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From: Northeast Minneapolis
Registered: Sep 5, 2001
Re: need a few artists opinions.
Posted: Sep 5, 2005 5:49 AM
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yes

Bob Schulz

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From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003
Re: need a few artists opinions.
Posted: Sep 5, 2005 10:21 AM
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When someone busts out

Bob Schulz

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From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003
Re: need a few artists opinions.
Posted: Sep 7, 2005 11:39 PM
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Speaking of photomontage,

Ray Rolfe

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From: Northeast Minneapolis
Registered: Sep 5, 2001
Re: need a few artists opinions.
Posted: Sep 8, 2005 5:05 AM
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What?

jaime longoria

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Registered: Oct 7, 2002
Re: need a few artists opinions.
Posted: Sep 8, 2005 9:03 AM
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> Speaking of photomontage, did anyone look at the
> latest MAEP postcard showing, ECCHY HOMO, by Cleary?
> Any opinions on this upcoming show? Coyote?
>
> I'm trying to read the picture? I don't know what to
> make of it. What could possibly be its purpose? You
> know, it's not a small enterprise to put on these
> shows. How do these things get put together? How
> does the trialogue get hooked up with the show?
> What's their purpose? What's that about? Take a
> look.
>
> Looks like a man with a bomb for a nose surrounded by
> a worm man, two flys and a pupa/maggot. The man's
> body is a time line signifying a cabbage morphing
> into a flower? and a halo radiating three negative
> names for the man making the picture appear as a
> crucifix.
>
> Very deep signifiers? A big wall plaque will be
> needed.

Bob,
For the record, I appear to have been removed from the mailing lists of the MAEP. It is funny, because when I was on the panel my coded address was being handed out to every "friend" of every panelist to send me personal invitations to their shows. Now, I get nothing. A petty form of politics, as usual. But they don't seem to realize that this is more of the Minnesota Nice bullshit that cripples Minnesota Art. As Doug Padilla had to admit onne day, the applications for shows are all mediocre. It has more to do with the politics of getting the show than it has to do with the artist.

Bob, remember the Soth show? That show was awarded to him not because he applied, but because the MAEP wanted to ride his coattails. I spent a few hours in the exhibit watching people's reactions to what was actually displayed there.

Bob, it is where democracy has died in Minnnesota. You keep wanting to rail away at enemies across the sea. But Rome fell from within. It fell with each corruption of its ideals. To claim that the MAEP is a democratic, artist run program is an outright lie. It is a lie you swallow daily, Bob, when you post here about other things that do not matter to our profession.

You and I are art makers. If we allow our profession to be ruled by dishonest processes can our truth ever be seen? Remember, at the decline of Rome it had never been stronger, richer, or larger than all its history. But it was the failure of honor that allowed it to tear itself apart. Read Shakespeare. Marc Antony's speech "Brutus is an honorable man..."

Coyote, off to play with kids

Bob Schulz

Posts: 416
From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003
Re: need a few artists opinions.
Posted: Sep 8, 2005 12:40 PM
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And seemingly unrelated

jaime longoria

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Registered: Oct 7, 2002
Re: need a few artists opinions.
Posted: Sep 9, 2005 10:08 AM
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So will you agree to be ina show of the "regulars" here with the coyote?

I am looking to May 06 and jut those of us who have stuck it out with each other?


Coyote Real


> Hey Coyote, I was more interested in the picture
> itself as an example of what is "dense" "subtle"
> multi-layered work. The kind of work that gets hung
> on walls much to the delight of panels that pick it,
> but to the confusion of its audience.
>
> I keep my view fixed on everything. From art to
> international politics to what an ass in Germany says
> about the advent of hurricane Katrina. It's a big
> job, but one 99 percent of artists are incapable of.
>
>
> I can only believe what MAEP says about itself, that
> to the best of its ability it picks that which it
> believes to be the best, according to its view, art
> for its shows. Maybe the artists in Minnesota, or
> those elected to serve on the MAEP panel, have a
> jaundiced eye.
>
> I too spent time among the Soth photographs. And, as
> I said before, I wasn't sure they didn't display a
> negative view of their subjects. Maybe the choice of
> the Soth photographs came before his rapid success?
> Can an artist know what a panel wishes to see? Is
> art really the success of a formula?
>
> If successful art can be analyzed for its content, if
> it can be broken down, then more successful art can
> be constructed in its wake. Add a dollop of
> aesthetics, which can be garnered at art school, and
> careers are launched.
>
> Remember the "Monkeys" pop group? (And possibly
> every group since) A fabrication, if I remember, of
> a television producer to sell to a waiting audience.
> Maybe art has achieved this level. Dope the
> audience and then provide the product. I think
> that's why such long explanations are needed on the
> wall and in handouts. To painfully explain what the
> artist is intending and the extreme importance of
> the work. It's funny, really.
>
> Everything I post has to do with art because politics
> is art and all art is political. What is amazing is
> that my view stands by itself within this site.
>
> Did anyone read the new Nidra Poller article in
> Commentary this month? The one exposing the
> purported shooting of a Palestinian yoot that was
> used to help initiate the second Intifada resulting
> in thousands of deaths in the Middle East, as a
> construction, a fraud, so as to escalate the use of
> children as suicide bombers? I thought not.
>
> And seemingly unrelated current events and the view
> they raise in the minds of artists affect what
> eventually is produced; be it a play in Scotland, a
> picture hung on a wall in the city hall of San
> Francisco or a camera shoved up some asshole in a
> video at a "major metropolitan art museum". Or, for
> whatever reason, yet another trip around the world
> with the incumbent photographic detritus for
> instructing slantheads back home as to their
> instransigent provincial stupidity in not being able
> to recognize their own ugliness. That's why I watch
> everything, and listen to everything. (Within my
> limitations)

Bob Schulz

Posts: 416
From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003
Re: need a few artists opinions.
Posted: Sep 11, 2005 8:44 PM
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Other than that,

jaime longoria

Posts: 1,161
Registered: Oct 7, 2002
Re: need a few artists opinions.
Posted: Sep 13, 2005 2:11 PM
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> I hung my State Fair loser in Hopkins, and will take
> it down to the Bottling building in the fall, and
> another for the auction, if they have one. Other
> than that, I conserve my energy. And it's my opinion
> that such a show would, at least, get figuratively
> egged. This web site is, for myself, like sitting on
> a curb, watching a magnificent parade sidle on by,
> while getting pelted with gummy bears thrown by
> laughing clowns. And that's alright, I like eating
> candy.


I saw your painting at the Hopkins Center. Did you see my shovel?
Will you commit to showing with me in a show I currate?

jaime

Bob Schulz

Posts: 416
From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003
Re: need a few artists opinions.
Posted: Sep 16, 2005 3:19 PM
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And all the predicaments

jaime longoria

Posts: 1,161
Registered: Oct 7, 2002
Re: need a few artists opinions.
Posted: Sep 18, 2005 12:34 PM
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Thank you for the critical observation. Art is very dead in Minnesota when the "Minnesota" venues are mired in the tradition and rationale of the current rulers.

It is what promotes and sustains Minnesota Mediocre.

The shovel was one of the first non war iron technologies to arrive in the new world. For me it is awesome in the latent significance.

Jaime

> Yes, Jimmy, I saw your shovel and as there have been
> many shovels hung in the big house, none had the
> significance that a shovel has for people who know
> for what it is used. Or, how it is used. Or, have
> used one to make a living. A shovel is a hard
> working Mexican. And all the predicaments that come
> with the work connected thereto. The aching back,
> the calloused hands, the low pay, the puzzled looks
> of passers by. The shovel, a tribute to triumph of
> human will, but to a judge at the fair, just an
> attempt to squeeze in where only the "great
> decisions" are being made.
>
> And so we hung out together for a couple weeks. I
> can't do a show now, I don't have the energy. I'm
> going to hang a picture at the Bottling House in the
> fall. That's about it. I'm conserving myself. Get
> your stuff together for the St. Paul Crawl, which
> should be coming up shortly! I'll see you there!
> Adios

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