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Sarah Peters

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Re: The concept of exposure within community
Posted: Jun 5, 2003 12:10 PM
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Meredith et al,

In finding my way into this conversation I went back to the very first post where the question of social mores in online and offline spaces was posed. I am intrigued by the social rules around "politeness" that you talk about Meredith. I do agree that there is a general assumption that people will respond in a mature and civil manner to each other in here, which is similar to how we interact in the actual world. In the Midwest, anyway... Some of us. A difference that I sense is the freedom I have to be more direct online that I probably would be in a face to face conversation. This is largely due to personality and a good ole Midwestern fear of confrontation. Those limitations seem to fall away online. I find it easier to disagree online because I have the time to formulate a response and think through my idea more thoroughly than a live conversation where something comes tumbling out of my mouth and only afterwards do I even realize what I've said. I can also hide behind my computer to do it. ((Side thought: I wonder how many people that participate consistently in online forums are introverts or extroverts?))

Having a conversation via writing forces people to communicate differently, I like to think it makes us more thoughtful, or considered. This makes me wonder if online conversations would make for more successful conflict resolution amongst people, communities, cultures, etc.

jaime longoria

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Registered: Oct 7, 2002
Re: The concept of exposure within community
Posted: Jun 5, 2003 12:44 PM
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> Meredith et al,
>
> In finding my way into this conversation I went back
> to the very first post where the question of social
> mores in online and offline spaces was posed. I am
> intrigued by the social rules around "politeness"
> that you talk about Meredith. I do agree that there
> is a general assumption that people will respond in a
> mature and civil manner to each other in here, which
> is similar to how we interact in the actual world. In
> the Midwest, anyway... Some of us. A difference that
> I sense is the freedom I have to be more direct
> online that I probably would be in a face to face
> conversation. This is largely due to personality and
> a good ole Midwestern fear of confrontation. Those
> limitations seem to fall away online. I find it
> easier to disagree online because I have the time to
> formulate a response and think through my idea more
> thoroughly than a live conversation where something
> comes tumbling out of my mouth and only afterwards do
> I even realize what I've said. I can also hide
> behind my computer to do it. ((Side thought: I
> wonder how many people that participate consistently
> in online forums are introverts or extroverts?))
>
> Having a conversation via writing forces people to
> communicate differently, I like to think it makes us
> more thoughtful, or considered. This makes me wonder
> if online conversations would make for more
> successful conflict resolution amongst people,
> communities, cultures, etc.

Right on Sarah. We do have to rethink everything we write in these conversations because they are cast in history. But we are free to say what we would fear to say face to face with a group of intimidating individuals.

I do not however believe that this medium that allows us to not face our opponents would do much to resolve conflict. We still are primates and the history of our behavior mores still harkens back to physical gestures of resolved conflict; and that entails physical contact.

To truly resolve our differences we still clasp hands, embrace and utter the soft words of peace.

The e- media will not provide that experience.

coyote infante

Danny Smith

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Registered: Nov 9, 2002
Re: The concept of exposure within community
Posted: Jun 5, 2003 2:03 PM
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a word about the ease of disagreement in online conversations-- it seems that many people in online discussions are too ready to disagree, and mistake 'questioning' for 'attacking.' conversations can much more easily become arguments online. the only bright spot in this scenario is that there is a 'record' of the discussion, which should (but doesn't always) discourage participants from twisting the thoughts/posts of others to suit their own purposes. it's a lot easier to detect false accusations and manipulations.

Ray Rolfe

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From: Northeast Minneapolis
Registered: Sep 5, 2001
Re: The concept of exposure within community
Posted: Jun 5, 2003 8:50 PM
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I think this may be because we have an "argument culture" in the world at large. We think we can come to a higher understanding thru debate and counterpoint. But really higher understanding comes from creativity and collaboration. What would it be like if our motive for discussion were to purely renew or improve each participants understanding rather then meerly prove "I'm right"

Danny Smith

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Registered: Nov 9, 2002
Re: The concept of exposure within community
Posted: Jun 6, 2003 9:39 AM
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> I think this may be because we have an "argument
> culture" in the world at large. We think we can come
> to a higher understanding thru debate and
> counterpoint. But really higher understanding comes
> from creativity and collaboration. What would it be
> like if our motive for discussion were to purely
> renew or improve each participants understanding
> rather then meerly prove "I'm right"

counterpoint: debate and counterpoint are integral to renewing and improving each participants understanding. how can our own ideas be renewed if we are never challenged?

Ray Rolfe

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From: Northeast Minneapolis
Registered: Sep 5, 2001
Re: The concept of exposure within community
Posted: Jun 28, 2003 3:39 PM
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But do you really belive that or are you just being Illustrative?
How can our ideas be renewed without being challenged? By listening? Asking qustions then listening. But i guess that is a challenge to some. Some people just keep on talking.

Danny Smith

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Registered: Nov 9, 2002
Re: The concept of exposure within community
Posted: Jun 29, 2003 5:33 PM
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i really do mean that, and i'm never "illustrative." by "challenged" i do not mean "attacked." ideas are never formed in a vacuum. if our ideas and beliefs are static, so are we. my ideas about absolutely everything change all the time. if they didn't, i'd be my grandfather. change is good. challenge is good. listening is the key.

"listening" is a key component of being challenged. listening to the ideas of another, by definition, is a challenge to our own beliefs. i welcome that.

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