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jaime longoria

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Registered: Oct 7, 2002
Re: Minnesota Mediocre: An exhibition of self satisfied Art and Craft
Posted: Mar 13, 2003 1:28 PM
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> > The idea is to give those artists who are
> perfectly content
> > to satisfy themselves and no one else the
> opportunity
> > to present their art in the same venue as the
> > buffoons who believe they are making Art with a
> > capital A.
>
> SooVAC just did a show with a similar theme called
> "Comfort Food" (I think it's still up, actually) -are
> we stepping on their toes?
>
>
> > > Don't ask people to be mediocre - just gather
> > stuff
> > > and proclaim it. Let the pieces fall where they
> > may.
> > > Unpopular ideas and inflammatory actions lead
> > people
> > > to strengthen and defend their views
>
> I am sorry that this really wasn't as clear asI
> wanted it to be. I wanted a range of work good, bad,
> art, craft, self-therapy art, art with a capital A,
> pretentious artfuck art, and "art that takes the top
> of your head off". Let the people decide.
>
> I have heard Minnesota art called mediocre fairly
> often, and I want to challenge that. What is
> mediocre? What is great art? These definitions are as
> varied as there are people and the days they live.
> But I want people to think about what they are
> consuming, what they support, what they hate. I want
> to challenge people to challenge themselves - that's
> the show I'm after.
>
> I think you and I are after two different shows; and
> I don't mind that. There's room for both, there's
> room for compromise and jeez - who am I to complain
> when we are faced with a pile of wonderful ideas to
> choose from?
>
> Lauren


Ok Lauren; Get more sleep please.

Artist that call Minnesota Art "mediocre" are always talking about someone else's work. If you think about it, when the adjective is attached to the adverb it creates a phrase that defines a subject. Oh how I hate talking like this!

Minnesota Mediocre is a "concept" created by a "mythical" masked being; for the purpose of illuminating the idea behind the aggregate of the words that describe Mediocre art in Minnesota.

The Minnesota fans of NYC art look down their noses at the regional "kids" The Educated and Insiders chat about what is "hip" or "in", and what their Circle "likes". But they all fail to realize that if you subscribe to those ideals, they all need to be making art in NYC. Their presence here relegates them to "mediocre" status in a more profound way.

So what is "intrinsically " mediocre?

All work that is for the sole satisfaction of the Artist's ego!

We have a problem in thought in the relationship between artist and the work. The two must be separate.

The artist is not separate from the work.

We see that in Colin"s concern for the Artists..( it is not wrong for Colin to lay down the rule, but it is part of the problem that infects the whole of the field of artistic investigation.)
The institutions are more concerned with the placating of the artists communal ego than with advancing the quality of the work of the focus of the artistic community. Our institution have had too many focus groups and forgot they have a pre-existing mandate.

It is at the core of the causation of mediocrity.

Read Gabriel's discourses on being an exile.

For the purpose of the show we do not need to list mediocre traits. We do need to force every artist to examine themselves and recognize what their intent is.

Do they intend to make art that creates history, or are they content to enjoy the process of object making.

That question alone decides Mediocre from excellent.

Before you challenge the adjective, understand how it does describe much of what the art community does.

Getting and MA and then a MFA does not make you and artist. It makes you a follower of a "school" of art. As soon as the school dies out, you are no longer an artist. You are one who teaches because you can not practice. When these people(followers of dead schools) run all of the arts programs ( they have to have a job in the arts you know)you very rapidly get what we have in Minnesota. Mediocre.

Please understand( read the Dialogue from the beginning; pay close attention to what Gabe and
Sam say) I do not pretend to know what is mediocre until I understand what the Artists state that they are about. At that point the words(their own) undermine the value of the work. Far too many artists do art by stupid process(I don't know what I was doing, I was just doing it, I guess it is a personal thing). They can not come up with the words, because they do not understand what they did. ( Nor what are about to do)

Most of my colleagues on the MAEP do not read the proposals, most do not care what the artist says, they are interested in what looks good in the "dark", think about that.

They make decisions on what basis?

How can one strive for excellence when this is the format of selection of exemplarity art?

RE SooVac
Were they trying for Mediocre Art? If so, then the show should be proposed in it's current form. We need only invite them to propose it under this title. Talk to the chair of the Committee, Captain Homeless.

On the idea of consuming mediocre art.

We could hold a grab bag action where artist donate mediocre art and the public bids on each, the funds going to set up The Stone Soup Art Studios. Again see Captain Homeless.

Focus my child; there is only one idea here. The show.


coyote 256

Message was edited by: jaime longoria at Mar 13, 2003 1:35 PM


Sam Spiczka

Posts: 1,671
From: Sartell, MN
Registered: Jul 20, 2001
Re: Minnesota Mediocre: An exhibition of self satisfied Art and Craft
Posted: Mar 13, 2003 7:57 PM
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"Most of my colleagues on the MAEP do not read the proposals, most do not care what the artist says, they are interested in what looks good in the "dark", think about that. "

I was going to ask you, Jaime... How have your fellow board members greeted you so far? Do they follow these discussions as far as you know?

Sam

dale snyder

Posts: 509
From: Lakewood Township, Duluth
Registered: Oct 21, 2002
Re: Minnesota Mediocre: An exhibition of self satisfied Art and Craft
Posted: Mar 13, 2003 8:08 PM
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Jaime,
I'm don't have a lot of time to sit at this machine with my work and kids and stuff, so I apologize if I miss things, but how do we submit the work we would like to contribute to "The Show Mediocre"? I have some prints I made for a previous show that would work, and I would have to assemble the materials to display them. You mentioned time limitations. Can there be a definitive schedule to work from? Is everyone in here going to be able to contribute? What is the chance that it can really happen?

I don't want to pressure anyone (an established Minnesota trait) But I do want to begin if it seems feasible.

thanks

dale snyder

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From: Lakewood Township, Duluth
Registered: Oct 21, 2002
Re: Minnesota Mediocre: An exhibition of self satisfied Art and Craft
Posted: Mar 13, 2003 8:12 PM
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Oh yeah,

are we talking things to be donated for sale, or for show only, to be returned to the artist?

Sam Spiczka

Posts: 1,671
From: Sartell, MN
Registered: Jul 20, 2001
Re: Minnesota Mediocre: An exhibition of self satisfied Art and Craft
Posted: Mar 13, 2003 8:24 PM
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Dale's got some gitty'up in him! Nothing is conrete yet and Jaime technically is not in charge. You may want to light a fire under either Ray or Lauren. But definitely not me. I just try to grease the wheels a little when I hear a squeak.

Sam

Lauren DeSteno

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From: Minneapolis, MN
Registered: Oct 19, 2001
Re: Minnesota Mediocre: An exhibition of self satisfied Art and Craft
Posted: Mar 13, 2003 9:35 PM
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> I was going to ask you, Jaime... How have your
> fellow board members greeted you so far? Do they
> follow these discussions as far as you know?


Yeah, I've been wondering about that too. How is it going over there?

jaime longoria

Posts: 1,161
Registered: Oct 7, 2002
Re: Minnesota Mediocre: An exhibition of self satisfied Art and Craft
Posted: Mar 14, 2003 12:01 PM
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> Dale's got some gitty'up in him! Nothing is conrete
> yet and Jaime technically is not in charge. You may
> want to light a fire under either Ray or Lauren. But
> definitely not me. I just try to grease the wheels a
> little when I hear a squeak.
>
> Sam

Ditto to what Sam says.

Ray did set up an e-mail address to send "postcards" of people we should invite to be in the "proposal". ( he did jump the gun and went ahead and set up a site on mnartist.org( but it is neat to know it can be done, yea Ray) which Colin took down because we had not yet recieved permission from each of the artistsBrendon has done an awesome job of drafting the e-email to prospective artists),...etc.
( exhibitions are a lot of more work than most artists realize,...)

What everyone can do right now is e-mail postcards to minnesotamediocre@yahoo.com and ray can "hold on to them until we get the ok from Colin on the permission release.

Then we need the "writers" to draft a One(1) page; at the forth grade reading level(sorry but true) Proposal that sells the concept to the MAEP.

Who would like to edit the proposal?

Jaime

jaime longoria

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Registered: Oct 7, 2002
Re: Minnesota Mediocre: An exhibition of self satisfied Art and Craft
Posted: Mar 14, 2003 12:26 PM
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> "Most of my colleagues on the MAEP do not read the
> proposals, most do not care what the artist says,
> they are interested in what looks good in the "dark",
> think about that. "
>
> I was going to ask you, Jaime... How have your
> fellow board members greeted you so far? Do they
> follow these discussions as far as you know?
>
> Sam

Its been cordial. I have kept my mouth shut most of the time. I have been very receptive to being taught the way things are done; once I have the rules then i can start to shake things up.

One good thing out all of this was a discussion of "conflict of interest" it is all up to the board member to disclose it a conflict and either recluse themselves or not.

It' s their rule; it will suit me well.

I do not think they read much. They are mostly visual people. Plus I do believe there is a "us and them" thing going on with them as the MIA and the Walker. Who knows, I prefer not to address petty politicos.

The caliber of thought that has developed here on the Post may also be beyond most of them. You have all taken this thing to a real heavy place in the discussion of Art.

I will need the endorsement of all of our lurkers who agree with need to improve the Quality of Art, and we will have to call to arms other artists who do not like to post.
Posters( pieces of paper) from our PR BatGirl would be cool to put up at your favorite artists hang out soon
but it must include Brendon's invitation and a clarification that the Walker does not enbody this action.

Say black and white 5.5 x 8.5 ( 2 out of a single sheet)
handbills. Cheap and easy to handle. We can even email them.

Ray needs to convene "on line" a committee meeting to approve and act on all of this.

If you want a physical meeting maybe the Colin guy can open a meeting room at the Walker ( say what about the dead cafeteria, for a Stone Soup gathering?) If not then Ray can you ask Mr Tortilla if Artrujillo would host your meeting? Where is Mr. VillaReal? This would be a good lead off for the "artists space" idea.

onward and forward

coyote cuatro

Lauren DeSteno

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From: Minneapolis, MN
Registered: Oct 19, 2001
Re: Minnesota Mediocre: An exhibition of self satisfied Art and Craft
Posted: Mar 14, 2003 4:00 PM
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Brendon (or Jaime) - can you make available the document you wrote, either by posting it here or by emailing it to the MM folks? thanks.

lauren_desteno@yahoo.com

Lauren DeSteno

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From: Minneapolis, MN
Registered: Oct 19, 2001
Re: Minnesota Mediocre: An exhibition of self satisfied Art and Craft
Posted: Mar 14, 2003 4:04 PM
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Here's the info on the SooVAC show I mentioned before:

COMFORT FOOD
February 14 TO March 6, 2003
Reception: Feb 14, 2003 FROM 7 -10 PM

Comfort Food was conceived specifically for Midwestern artists, the lengthy and harsh winters particularly conducive to creating art as a means of catharsis. The word comfort is derived from the Late Latin word confortare, meaning, "to strengthen greatly". To give strength and hope to, or to ease the grief or pain of—comfort creates a feeling that surpasses the original and satisfies the body’s proper needs. These artists have responded to the very natural human desire to create an environment that is comfortable.

Lauren DeSteno

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From: Minneapolis, MN
Registered: Oct 19, 2001
Re: Minnesota Mediocre: An exhibition of self satisfied Art and Craft
Posted: Mar 14, 2003 4:19 PM
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Sorry... I'm on a roll here.

Jaime - just for my own clarification, is there something wrong with self-satisfied arts and crafts?

Another thing - Part of what gets to me about "Minnesota Mediocre" is the economic incentive to make small, educational, accessible, functional, or decorative work. There is nothing wrong with making work like this (I often make things that are just neat or pretty, or functional, and darn it, it's fun! and fulfilling!), and I think it is more valuable and self-sustaining to say, throw your own dishes and offer them as an alternative to the cheap, morally ambiguous, mass-produced fare found at your local corporate department store.

To me, these things are art.

Brendon Wenzel

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From: minneapolis, mn
Registered: Nov 20, 2002
Re: Minnesota Mediocre: An exhibition of self satisfied Art and Craft
Posted: Mar 14, 2003 6:41 PM
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lauren,

i am about to e-mail you a copy of the permission e-mail that i have drafted. let me know if it makes it to you. jaime seemed to like it, and i would appreciate your comments as well. (wenz0015@umn.edu)

Lauren DeSteno

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From: Minneapolis, MN
Registered: Oct 19, 2001
Re: Minnesota Mediocre: An exhibition of self satisfied Art and Craft
Posted: Mar 15, 2003 1:55 AM
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Got it, thanks. Would you post it here, too? I think it states the objective for the show very succinctly, and I think folks here might like to read it (especially the lurkers that might be really grumpy with this thread right now).

Sam Spiczka

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From: Sartell, MN
Registered: Jul 20, 2001
Re: Minnesota Mediocre: An exhibition of self satisfied Art and Craft
Posted: Mar 15, 2003 9:50 AM
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"Grumpy Lurker"? I like that, it sounds like the name of a large fish.

Sam

jaime longoria

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Registered: Oct 7, 2002
Re: Minnesota Mediocre: An exhibition of self satisfied Art and Craft
Posted: Mar 15, 2003 10:51 AM
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> Here's the info on the SooVAC show I mentioned
> before:
>
> COMFORT FOOD
> February 14 TO March 6, 2003
> Reception: Feb 14, 2003 FROM 7 -10 PM
>
> Comfort Food was conceived specifically for
> Midwestern artists, the lengthy and harsh winters
> particularly conducive to creating art as a means of
> catharsis. The word comfort is derived from the Late
> Latin word confortare, meaning, "to strengthen
> greatly". To give strength and hope to, or to ease
> the grief or pain of—comfort creates a feeling that
> surpasses the original and satisfies the body’s
> proper needs. These artists have responded to the
> very natural human desire to create an environment
> that is comfortable.

I think the show sounds pompous; the latin root affection speaks to the self image as important artists.

I think this is what we do not seek to feature.

I also did not see this show opened to the whole state of Minnesota. One of my ulterior motives is to de- elitify the Art scene. When elected I was encourage to break up the "insiderism" of the MAEP(as perceived by those artists that do not get the prestige of a show).

I believe SooVAC is very "elite" minded and would not understand the Minnesota Mediocre concept. They are way to hip for it. What do you think?

coyote

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