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Jim Grafsgaard

Posts: 15
Registered: Feb 19, 2003

Re: Feedback on Articles
Posted: Aug 18, 2005 12:01 AM

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My other 2cents....

Bob Schulz

Posts: 416
From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003

Re: Feedback on Articles
Posted: Aug 18, 2005 1:30 PM

Well, that's the first point,

Jim Grafsgaard

Posts: 15
Registered: Feb 19, 2003

Re: Feedback on Articles
Posted: Aug 18, 2005 10:47 PM

Thanks Bob - I understand your point more clearly now. The difficulty with communicating via online forums is we miss the subtleties of wit and expression (via voice and body) so vital to the message. There is less to communicate with, so we have to work harder both reading and writing.

Not that I agree with all you say - but yeah, Chomsky rambles, speaking or writing - ironic since he is a linguist.

Imagining peace is both powerful and powerless ( yin/yang duality). At most it stimulates an inner experience of peace, which is needed at all levels of human society, encourages us to share the experience and prepares people to act on it. At least it begs the questions, what is peace and whose peace do we imagine anyway? That it opens a dialogue surrounding matters of the heart is what qualifies it as art.

Re: Ono art around the world ..does this count? :
__________
Reuters in Paris
Monday September 15, 2003
The Guardian

John Lennon's widow, Yoko Ono, is set to strip for peace tonight on a stage in Paris in her one-woman art show in which members of the audience were invited to cut off pieces of her clothing. Ono, 70, who accompanied her Beatle husband in numerous controversial anti-war campaigns including the "Bed-In for Peace" against the Vietnam War, first performed her "Cut Piece" show in 1964 in Japan as a protest for peace.
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Demonstrating for anything in America, let alone peace, is not absurd. That is one freedom which makes this country great. Within the last 100 yrs alone, many American protestors .. working poor asking for living wages, veterans asking for basic benefits, blacks asking for their Constitutionally guaranteed right to vote .. have paid with their lives for standing up to those in authority. And our lives are better for their bravery.

That I can print and exhibit a poster labelling GWBush, CPowell, Rumsfeld, Sharon, Bin Laden and Sadaam "Masters Of War" doesnt vilify our nation nor any other. It does vilify the self-serving cowardice of those who endanger the world for their personal benefit. And it shows my love for this country that I get off my butt and participate in the social dialogue.

Battles may rage. But the war against hatred, prejudice and oppression around the world will never be won by weapons. That is why art has power - in literature, theater, visual art, music we ask the difficult questions, discuss the unmentionable, and we offer alternatives.

//Enuf 4 now..I gotta get back to my art work ...

p.s. Bob..why do you have but one painting in your mnartists gallery? A good one, but it hardly hints at your other pictorial themes.

jaime longoria

Posts: 1,161
Registered: Oct 7, 2002

Re: Feedback on Articles
Posted: Aug 18, 2005 10:54 PM

> Hi everyone - I just want to put in 2cents, regarding
> the ongoing debates in this forum I have been
> catching up on.

You know Jim it is really tiring of you always only putting your "2 cents" in;... those of us who have made truly deep investments in expanding the discussion of Art in Minnesota really are just not that impressed with your "wee wee" cartoons. Use your wits man; not your pecker!!!!

Lately focusing on "us" vs "them" in
> various line-ups.
> It is good reading, at times. I know some writers
> ers personally (Sr.Longoria

Senior Longoria is my dead father; once again you are very culturally insensitive like alot of your fellow left wingers who do not examine thier own racist treatment of my people.

and Herr Schulz, in
> particular). Others I know only by their artwork or
> writing.
> I just want to say "thank you" to those who take
> ke time to present their ideas, or the respected
> ideas of others, clearly and concisely.
> Other "wisenheimers" (to reference the upcoming
> ng MAEP show, with artwork by James F. Cleary BFA)
> evidently prefer cleverness to clarity. They get a
> bit tiresome.
> I respect everyone's willingness to speak up, and
> and the occasional entertainment value of a good
> rant. But if a person has repeatedly made their point
> (e.g. anti-american leftists bad/ pro-capitalist
> patriots good) or writes primarily to serve
> themselves (e.g. self-publicizing thinly disguised

Don't be stupid JIm; I have made it very clear to everyone that Coyote is the most advanced form of Perfromance Art here in Minnesota that MF and the VACUM mobbies just can not get thier intelecutual wantabee brain sacs around.

You were one of the first Anglos to find Coyote fascinating; you just are upset becasue it does your Art career no good to have been there when Coyote went from Lake Street to the whole state of Minnesota!

Get over it Jim.

as
> performance art) - may they please give it a rest?

You seem to not understand that Coyote is now "A"= Atomic = global.

Coyote is on his way to the Asian Rim. Bye Bye Jim!!!!!!
>
> Ok, the pot needs stirring - so thanks too to the pot
> stirrers. But if you have nothing more to say than
> repeating a narrow theme endlessly in various ways ,
> your effort tho clever is artless.

Ray Rolfe

Posts: 3,263
From: Northeast Minneapolis
Registered: Sep 5, 2001

Re: Feedback on Articles
Posted: Aug 18, 2005 11:49 PM

Yeah hey.

I saw the Ono 'Cut piece' no .. Cut Peace as performed by Kim Gordon @ the old Walker.. They cut the volunteer guys clothing to heart shaped shreds.

When are you going to take it universal Coyote?

Must you grow planet by planet?

Bob Schulz

Posts: 416
From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003

Re: Feedback on Articles
Posted: Aug 19, 2005 12:06 AM

We went to sleep

Bob Schulz

Posts: 416
From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003

Re: Feedback on Articles
Posted: Aug 20, 2005 12:20 PM

Who among us when faced with such grave responsibilities are not capable of making the very same decisions?

Jim Grafsgaard

Posts: 15
Registered: Feb 19, 2003

Re: Feedback on Articles
Posted: Aug 20, 2005 4:03 PM

Jimmy/Jaime/Coyote/Chicano de Minnesota:

Lest anyone take you seriously..

see Mr. Longoria's mnartists collection "Chicano Artists"
(http://www.mnartists.org/tourHome.do?action=start&rid=24766)
Longoria states: "Collected here are Chicano Artists work that interest me." It contains 2 images, both his own.

On his mnartists Information page
(http://www.mnartists.org/artistHome.do?action=info&rid=12843)
he has placed a single listing under AWARDS: "Most Disliked Latino Artist in the Twin Cities" (a well-deserved title, since you have alienated the great majority of those who have worked with you in our community - should I say "your" community? - with your egoism and verbal aggression.)

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I respect the fact you feel invested in these forums.

Stats for the mnartists Forums show:
jaime longoria
Posts: 1,049
Registered: Oct 7, 2002
an average of once/day in these forums since you joined.

In addition there is a dedicated thread to your Coyote Art where the 5 or 6 posters interested can keep up with what u are up to.
Home » Forum Home » Past Features » Chicano Art Thread:Coyote Art

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This present thread is Feedback on Articles. Precious little posted relates to that topic. I suppose the moderator feels the freedom of debate is more important than the integrity of the topic. I respect that also.

I do not respect how you Mister Longoria, have to a great degree hijacked this thread to serve your own self-interest. Your own reply to me is slams and insults, with no attention to the real points I make with my words and images. This of course is the Coyote trying to gain attention by being a disrupter.

Simply because you claim Coyote embodies the "most advanced form of performance art here in MN" doesnt make it so!
Beyond this posting, I refuse to engage your pathetic attempt at being relevant.

Jim Grafsgaard

Posts: 15
Registered: Feb 19, 2003

Re: Feedback on Articles
Posted: Aug 20, 2005 4:33 PM

Bob: I understand communicating your political views is important to you. With all due respect, I think your historic analysis is out of place here. This is not ridicule. I would love to see you at the Speakers Corner in London!

I encourage you to post more images on your gallery pages, because to me your artworks each say more than any thousand words you post here.

Of course, I am not the moderator, just another artist-poster, an occasional poster at that. Maybe I misunderstand the functioning/organization of the Forums. The moderator may well correct me.

But you can go on for pages and pages, day after day, and only occasionally are there references to "Feedback on Articles" at all. Perhaps there is a more suitable place on these Forums for your topic? I dont mean to derail your debate, but as a participant in these Forums I am not going to join it.
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Instead let me offer to the Forum this link:
http://www.callforentry.org/
which I found perusing the Opportunities and Deadlines listings on mnartists. The site named CAFE' foreshadows the end of slide-based jurying - instead they provide artists and organizations a means of posting digital images and media for judging work and jurying shows. It appears well-designed and could serve many of us well!

Bob Schulz

Posts: 416
From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003

Re: Feedback on Articles
Posted: Aug 21, 2005 3:44 PM

there is no protocol

jaime longoria

Posts: 1,161
Registered: Oct 7, 2002

Re: Feedback on Articles
Posted: Aug 21, 2005 8:46 PM

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> Well, Jim, IMHO there is no protocol other than that
> used by those who bother to communicate with each
> other. If we go back political content can be found
> in the articles supporting the discussion we have
> posted to.
>
> I know you wouldn't stoop to ridicule, it's just my
> inferiority complex trying to avoid getting stomped.
>
> I could source the history I have mentioned. As I
> have said, I'm passing on what other intellectuals,
> former radical Leftists, have written. And I'm
> convinced that political content, if not prominent in
> art, is lurking just beneath the view. And you never
> know when, pop, there it is again, right before your
> eyes, and it doesn't look like felt, dirt, fat, and
> other "conservative?" material. It may not be great
> art, it may not be aesthetically pleasing, it may not
> sell, but, Holy Cow, there it is again!
>
> That's why I'm mesmerized with it.
>
> The reason it seems that I'm obsessed is that a
> single misperception, e.g. the

definition of murder

The Coyote defines "Murder" as the deliberate taking of anothers life.

,
> can corrupt perception. Dershowitz mentioned this
> very point when discussing the treachery of Chomsky.
> Artists would not have been demonstrating in
> Washington in the spring of '03 against war side by
> side with anarchists if they were not political
> animals. I'm only dealing with reality when defusing
> the myths used to make the art for which there is no
> rational basis.

And what is the "rational" basis of making Art?

And I know that one's view of the
> world colors all that mind touches including the act
> of picking up a brush.

coyote infinity

jaime longoria

Posts: 1,161
Registered: Oct 7, 2002

Re: Feedback on Articles
Posted: Aug 21, 2005 9:07 PM

> Jimmy/Jaime/Coyote/Chicano de Minnesota:

Thank you for increaseing my visiblity,...

>
> Lest anyone take you seriously..

You certainly do more than I do you,...

>
> see Mr. Longoria's mnartists collection "Chicano
> Artists"
> (http://www.mnartists.org/tourHome.do?action=start&rid
> 24766)
> Longoria states: "Collected here are Chicano Artists
> work that interest me." It contains 2 images, both
> his own.

Which supports my claim to bo "The Chicano Artist de Minnesota",...

>
> On his mnartists Information page
> (http://www.mnartists.org/artistHome.do?action=info&ri
> =12843)
> he has placed a single listing under AWARDS: "Most
> Disliked Latino Artist in the Twin Cities" (a
> well-deserved title, since you have alienated the
> great majority of those who have worked with you in
> our community

Are you claiming to be "Latino"?

- should I say "your" community?

Remember that I was a founding member of Latino Artists Group,...I currated the "Flor De Corazon" that spawned the Soap de C,... That "you" elected me to the MAEP to challenge it's "racism",...remember that Coyote pioneered the serving of "Frijoles de hoja" at Chicano Art shows, remember Jim that my arse is brown!!!

- with
> your egoism and verbal aggression.)
>
> ----------
>
>
> I respect the fact you feel invested in these forums.
>
>
> Stats for the mnartists Forums show:
> jaime longoria
> Posts: 1,049
> Registered: Oct 7, 2002
> an average of once/day in these forums since you
> joined.

And do take note that many "threads" die until someone calls the "coyote" out to put up a stink and then.,,, the discussion begins again. Can you admit that,.. or is your ego in your way?

>
> In addition there is a dedicated thread to your
> Coyote Art where the 5 or 6 posters interested can
> keep up with what u are up to.
> Home » Forum Home » Past Features » Chicano Art
> Thread:Coyote Art

Yes I have neglected that line; I will tend to that soon just to suit you.
Will you be happy then Jim?
>
> --------
>
> This present thread is Feedback on Articles. Precious
> little posted relates to that topic.

Do you feel like discussing the Soo Line show? Got guts Jim?

I suppose the
> moderator feels the freedom of debate is more
> important than the integrity of the topic.

Freedom of all kinds is what American/Minnesotan Art is all about. Please do not lean over into the Fascist side of thinking Jim. It makes for bad Art( and can give you gas).

I respect
> that also.
>
> I do not respect how you Mister Longoria, have to a
> great degree hijacked this thread to serve your own
> self-interest.

I am interested in creating a identifiable "Minnesota Art". My performance Art (Coyote) is very specific to Minnesota and so it is of "value" here my friend. ( You do need to 'think' about what you have just posted as it does a very good job of making my case).

Your own reply to me is slams and
> insults, with no attention to the real points I make
> with my words and images.

May I apologize you you feel slammed and insulted. I thought that I would provide you the opportunity to 'vent' whatever hot feeling you had for me and that then you could consentrate on your "comments" on "articles" here on this thread. But I must admit I did not understand why you "called" the coyote; you know the rule I must obey; I do not start a dance; I must be 'called'.

This of course is the
> Coyote trying to gain attention by being a disrupter.

I think that some have come to the amazing conclusion that I have actually "united" more people than I have disunited( most are united against the Coyote{much tomyglee} out a sense fear)
>
>
> Simply because you claim Coyote embodies the "most
> advanced form of performance art here in MN" doesnt
> make it so!

I do not claim it; I have observed it.

> Beyond this posting, I refuse to engage your pathetic
> attempt at being relevant.

I never said that Coyote was "relevant".. I did say it was "important"

Your friend

Jaime

Jim Grafsgaard

Posts: 15
Registered: Feb 19, 2003

Re: Feedback on Articles
Posted: Aug 21, 2005 10:52 PM

Hey Bob - Your last has me thinking, and I really appreciate you taking the time to reply.

Unfortunately the only other postings are abusive and childish, so I am outa here. No wonder these forums are so lame - a half dozen voices and when someone new comes in to offer some other thinking, they get this SOS>

Hey Thanks Sam for the encouragement. Good luck guys.
- Jim

Ray Rolfe

Posts: 3,263
From: Northeast Minneapolis
Registered: Sep 5, 2001

Re: Feedback on Articles
Posted: Aug 21, 2005 11:15 PM

I saw you today Jim. Carving wood with an electric tool. I had to go to Max wood shop studio (next to yours) with some friends to check out the progress on a LANDmark project.
You know Mitchel Dose?
I woulda said hi, but I didn't recognize you untill Mitch said "yeah that was him out back".
What were ya creating?

Gabriel Combs

Posts: 1,497
Registered: Jun 16, 2002

Re: Feedback on Articles
Posted: Aug 21, 2005 11:29 PM

What's even funnier though, Jim, is that there is starting to be a cycle of people coming here to offer us their "you are'nt talkin bout no articles", yet offering no talk of them either. Is'nt that funny? "Artists" just want attention for themselves and their careers as artists, as they are their own reps, often. I looked at your art because you posted.

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