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William Lager

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Paradise Now (Al-Jenna-Al) discussion
Posted: Sep 27, 2005 10:13 AM
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Preview Screening and Forum
Paradise Now (Al-Jenna-Al)
Sunday, October 2, 3 pm

As part of the Premieres: First Look series, the Walker presents a preview
screening of Paradise Now, a controversial drama that tracks the last day of
two childhood friends recruited for suicide bombings in Tel Aviv. While
offering personal insight into the motivations behind such a heinous crime,
the film’s producers claim a neutral position, siding neither with the
Israelis nor the Palestinians. “We tried simply to make a story that
deflates the myth of both extremes and brings it down to a human factor,”
says coproducer Bero Beyer. The films director, Hany Abu-Assad will
introduce the film and take questions afterwards.

To better facilitate a discussion of the issues present in this film, the
Walker has invited several guests to join the post-screening Q & A and to
post their thoughts during an online forum beginning after the program. Log
on to mnartists.org/community read their comments and continue the
conversation.

For more information: calendar.walkerart.org

This forum will open up for discussion Sunday October 2nd at 3pm


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William Lager

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Re: Paradise Now (Al-Jenna-Al) discussion
Posted: Oct 2, 2005 1:07 PM
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The guests for this discussion will be:

Stephen Feinstein is the Director of the Center for Holocaust and Genocide Studies at the University of Minnesota. As an art historian, he has curated numerous exhibitions including a traveling art exhibition, "Witness and Legacy: Contemporary Art About the Holocaust," at the Minnesota Museum of American Art, which toured in 17 American museums from 1995-2002, and "Absence/Presence: The Artistic Memory of the Holocaust and Genocide,” at the University of Minnesota's Nash Gallery in 1999. He has authored over 40 published articles and six museum catalogues. His most recent publication, Absence/Presence: Critical Essays on the Artistic Memory of the Holocaust, was published in August of 2005.

Henry Lippman has been involved with justice and peace activities for over 30 years and is active in the Jewish community. He has been an advocate for a Palestinian homeland for over 25 years and believes that security for Israel and Palestine is dependant on cooperation. He works with elders and takes special pride as a father whose daughter's Bat Mitzvah was honored by the presence of an imam and a Muslim leader who came with their families.

Fouzi Slisli is a writer and researcher on the Middle East. He taught Literature, including Islamic Literature at the University of Essex (UK), and the History of Race at St Cloud State University (MN).He is a former board memeber of the Arab American Anti-Discrimination Committee (Minnesota chapter), and a former board member of the Arab American arts organization, Mizna. He is currently in the organizing committee of Mizna's upcoming Arab Film Festival. His writings on the Middle East appeared in Race and Class (London), and Al-Ahram Weekly (Cairo).

Sue Ann Martinson is a member of the Minnesota chapter of the NonViolent PeaceForce (NVPT). The mission of NVPT is to build a trained, international civilian nonviolent peace force. The NVPT will be sent to conflict areas to prevent death and destruction and protect human rights, thus creating the space for local groups to struggle nonviolently, enter into dialogue, and seek peaceful resolution. NVPT has member organizations across the globe.

Henry Lippman

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Re: Paradise Now (Al-Jenna-Al) discussion
Posted: Oct 2, 2005 6:07 PM
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This is Henry. I'm grateful to have this opprtunity to share my beliefs regarding the film and the conflict.

I certainly don't consider myself an expert in this area, 'though at times people who have not been directly involved in particular conflicts may have some useful insight.

Clearly, there are rejectionists to any negotiated settlement. There are Palestinians who believe that violence is the only effective way to stop the expanding Jewish settlements which are increasingly making it more difficult to achieve a viable contiguous Palestinian state. There are Israelis who do not feel the Palestinian leadership is able to control violence against Israel, which I believe contributed to the election of an Israeli prime ministater who was less likely to negotiate with the Palestinians, and may have contributed to pressures to establish barriers such as the wall.

Never the less, it is my understanding that independent pollsters have suggested that the majority of Palestinians and Israelis recognize that a two-state solution with both states cooperating with each other will be vital to the security of each nation.


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Sarah Peters

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Re: Paradise Now (Al-Jenna-Al) discussion
Posted: Oct 2, 2005 6:13 PM
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Hi, my name is Sarah Peters and I organize public programs here at the Walker. I want to thank all of our invited guests for their time and thoughts today.

The first time I saw this film I was struck by how the film maker managed to neither glorify or condemn the violence of suicide bombings. This is so different from what we usually see and hear from different sides of this conflict. In the light of ALL the "suicide" violence happening in the Middle East right now (Iraq and Israel/Palestine)---and even in the western, european city of London, I think a discussion about what is behind this particular action is crucial for us to understand the depth of the conflicts that we are all, involved with whether it's through ethnicity, family history, our belief systems or our taxes dollars.

I'm curious to hear other reactions to the film...


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Henry Lippman

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The Necessity of Presenting Multiple Perspectives from Both Communities
Posted: Oct 2, 2005 6:20 PM
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I appreciated the diversity of Palestinian perspectives that were expressed in the film. At the same time, I have had greater appreciation of films that I have seen which have shown sympathetic understanding of various Palestinian AND Israeli views. I feel that presentations which show the variety of views in the Palestinian community, without showing the various views Israeli communities, and vice versa, can defeat understanding of the more complex nature of the conflict. I say this, understanding that the artist has a very limited amount of time and must pick a manageable topic.


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Fouzi Slisli

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Re: Paradise Now (Al-Jenna-Al) discussion
Posted: Oct 2, 2005 6:31 PM
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This is obviously a very bold movie. One cannot tell if this is an appropriate time or not to tackle the issue of the Islamic suicide bomber. American soldiers are taking casualties everyday in Iraq from suicide bombings. The terror of September 11 is still fresh and law enforcement agencies are still frequently in the news telling the public that, as it was the case in London, the question of terror attacks hitting American soil is a question of when, not a question of how. Abu Assad boldly takes the topic, weaves in its proper context, occupation, and with patient care and subtelty brings the audience face to face with its banality. Some of the episodes are gripping: the 24 hours notice given to the bombers by their handlers to prepare for their mission and bid their loved ones farewell, the process of assembling explosive belts and mounting them on the bombers' bodies, the doubts, etc. Abu Assad's characters are not some Muslim zealots thirsting for the blood of non-believers. They are not motivated, as Western media has been insiting, by seventy virgins waiting for them in paradise as a reward for their mission. Abu Assad's characters are fairly secular, outgoing, hardworking, rational individuals. They are even witty and funny. They work, love, and care, but they live under an oppressive, arbitrary, and brutal colonial system. The colonial context, the film succesfully shows, makes suicide bombings seem human, all too human. A natural reaction to occupation.

Stephen Feinstein

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Re: Paradise Now (Al-Jenna-Al) discussion
Posted: Oct 2, 2005 6:34 PM
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Paradise Now is distinctive because of its dramatic power and because it establishes the human element and story telling as distinctive. For those who expected a propaganda film with the good and bad guys, these elements are less visible. Of course, there is the presumption of the Israeli occupation, but the film does not start the story of the Arab-Israeli conflict from square one. This is a virtue, because if it did, we would have to get into details from the very beginning--Jewish claims and rights in Palestine, colonialism and how Zionism is a different species, Arab resistance during the Mandate and the wars of 1948 and beyond.

The story line between Said and Khaled is interesting as they embark on suicide bombing with handlers who seem like they are operating a marketing firm rather than a Jihad organization.But maybe Jihad organizations are designed like marketing or business firms with the religious aspect a convenient cover. Thus the question arises about the issue of the suicide bomber an how this concept of resistance has marked a hijacking of Islam for the purposes of martydom. Dying for the faith is one thing, dying for a political cause which may or may not been linked to Islam is another thing. However, the logic of becoming a suicide bomber occurs because of the banality of life under occupation, the absence of heroes, movies stars and such and the resulting cult of the martyr. Thus the point where Said's life is described as "Japanese minimalist" (film) is significant. The fact that his father was a collaborator executed by Palestinians is significant, which I would suggest is a problem generally but also a specific problem when clan relationships are stronger and national identity in a state of flux. The misuse of Islam comes out pretty strong, as the handlers are the ones who are interested in success for themselves, as demonstrated in their frustration over the first failure of the operation among people who had been specificially picked for the operation. "Chosen people" has a new meaning in this context. However, failures are hinted to from the outset: the enigmatic aspects of the characters, their relationships with mothers and other women, the "last supper scene" reflective of the issue of redemption or lack of it (in a Christological sense), the washing of the body (the presumption is that he is already dead), and the final scene on the bus which may or may not have resulted in an explosion--the viewer is left without this knowledge, and thus can read it as he or she wishes. The film ends with the eyes, which are sometimes said to be the entry to the soul. The film then goes white--so what is the message--that the soul is nothing (is he intellectually dead at this point or just exhausted?)or does he detonate? Whatever the answer, there are no dead bodies lying around and this oft-viewed reality from TV does not turn into pornography.
What this film says about the resolution of the conflict is another thing? This depends on the outcome? If Said detonated himself and the surrounding victims, then there is the suggestion that violence in the conflict continues. Thus, as Amnesty International has suggested in its reports, we have two cases of "Crimes Against Humanity"--one with aspects of the Israeli occupation and violation of the rules of occupation, and the other with the killing of civilians by suicide bombers.This raises another question: who are the innocents here, if any? Are all civilians targets because of how the Israeli army works? And have all Palestinians become potential terrorists because of the Israeli perception and lack of specificity of victims? While I am not particularly in favor of walls, the Israeli wall-fence has been useful is lessening the suicide bomber threat. Thus an up to date version might be faced with the problem of the would-be bombers climbing a wall.By the way-how shall we call this people--suicide bombers of "homocide bombers?"
Then we have the issue of women. Said's mother is left with the vision of her husband as a collaborator, executed by his own people, for maybe doing something he thought was good. Collaborators, however, always come out on the bad end of things. She is also concerned that Said looks like her executed husband. If Said is successful is his bombing attempt, what will happen to her? Will her house be demolished as has been the case with other families of terrorists--what I think is a pretty fruitless retaliation, especially if the family doesn't know. However, we don't know if the mother knows or does not know--so she plays a role for what she does not say or think by a mother's instinct about the plight of her son. Suha has the potential to humanize, and maybe does that with Khaled, and maybe has an impact on Said. But women are supposed to mourn, not play such an active role, and this raises a distinctive issue about what role women would play in a Palestinian state should it ever come about?
The selling of films about collaborators and martyrs is interesting because the martyr's story, after all, becomes a cliche after the first few recorded stories--it is scripted. Khaled's scene in front of the movie camera that doesn't work is more than a jab by the director at the whole concept of the theatre of martyrdom.
In the end the film is very successful because it doesn't have specific answers and doesn't confirm what an ideologicial audience expecting the Israelis as bad guys and Palestinians as victims expects.Thus the answer to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is not black and white, but shades of grays. What will be the answer? Maybe not in violence.
Finally, there is another element absent: the other Arabs and Arab states. If life on the West Bank stinks (which it does for Palestinians), what can be said of the other Arab states who permit their brothers and sisters to sink into poverty, as well as the PLO leadership which is known to have embezzled millions of dollars into numbered Swiss bank accounts.We do hear from an Arab cab driver who recites all kinds of nonsence about how the Israelis are messing with the water supply to affect his sperm--but he has five kids.
So, great story, no immediate resolution, but maybe conversations are the basis of understanding.

Sue Ann Martinson

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Re: Paradise Now (Al-Jenna-Al) discussion
Posted: Oct 2, 2005 6:57 PM
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"Paradise Now" is a story about friendship, about the influence of previous generations, about young men coming of age. The film is a sensitive exploration of two young men coming to age in a contemporary political context.

It is a film about young men and their honor, their very understandable desire for human dignity.

The story is about two young men who have chosen to become suicide bombers and what happens to them.

It is a rich film that explores many sides of the questions around violence and nonviolence, around the psychological and physical effects of occupation, about the effects of their (both dead) fathers on the young men, the men who manipulate them by telling these young idealistic young men they will be heros as they plan the suicide bombing and also the role the Muslim religion plays.

Said's (the young suicide bomber), father was a collaborator. He expresses the fact that his father was weak--with the implication being that he must therefore be strong, and sees strength in terms of using his only weapon, his body.

In the process of the film, a young woman, Sahu, who actually opens the film in a somewhat frightening scene, meets Said. She represents an educated more European point of view--there are alternatives to a military response.

The friendship between the young men is very close--but in the end one chooses to live and one to die.

The young woman who is educated, like Said's mother, who is not educated, must in the end accept the consequences of his decision. I found the treatment of women in the film facinating, because it is so very much a film about men. In the end, the young, educated woman is forced to accept the death and consequences, just like the mother, but she does have influence on Khaled, the young bomber who lives.

In the end, all the young Israli soldiers on the bus, they are all young (and ironically blond--not how I think traditionally of Israeli's). They are young like Said, and they too care about honor, about God, about their country, and for this they also kill, if not themselves, then others, at bid of their elders.

Perhaps the filmmaker intended this parallel, perhaps not. But it is so very obvious to me--it's what they have in common, all these young men who are foolishly dying for their countries/religion.

A powerful film.

Henry Lippman

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Re: Lack of Violence in the Film
Posted: Oct 2, 2005 7:08 PM
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I appreciated the lack of graphic violence in the film. Sometimes, bloody scenes can obscure understanding the substantive content of a controversial issue.

I felt that the filmmaker purposely understated the oppression, corruption, and violence, to focus on some less recognized causes of suicide bombings. I appreciated what Fousi wrote about stereotypes about the motivations of suicide bombers coming exclusively from a distorted religious mindset. And it’s not that people don't commit violent acts from a religious point of view but that the filmmaker's intent here may have been to broaden the discussion and to weaken the stereotype of the religiously motivated suicide bomber.

I made another point in the post screening discussion that perhaps should be reiterated here. I have some discomfort that a major impact of the film will be to cause people to say "Now I understand the motivations of suicide bombers." It is helpful to not only understand the causes motivating people to kill but it’s beneficial to show the consequences of violence may often be counterproductive. I would have appreciated some indication that the consequences of violence may often be counterproductive.

Of course, there will be partisans with a multitude of viewpoints, but it’s important to hear these points of view and to introduce new elements to the conversation. I think the conversation after the film provided that context.


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Bob Schulz

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Re: Lack of Violence in the Film
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Fouzi Slisli

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Paradise Now
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Paradise Now


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Bob Schulz

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And further,

Bob Schulz

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Reggie Prim

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+ BIZ: The Palestinian Invasion: Will "Paradise Now" Be the Biggest Arabic-Language Film Ever? by Anthony Kaufman (October 18, 2005)

Two years ago, Hany Abu-Assad's "Rana's Wedding" -- a political comedy about a Palestinian woman's mishaps getting married in Ramallah -- debuted in U.S.
theaters with favorable reviews and the hopes of capturing the art-house market and offering American audiences a uniquely Palestinian perspective.
Sadly, the movie failed (grossing only around $45,000). But Abu-Assad is now back -- and with the backing of Time Warner subsidiary Warner Independent Pictures, his new film "Paradise Now" (opening next Friday) is poised to become the biggest Arabic-language film ever released in the United States.

Read the Full Story @ indieWIRE.com
< http://www.indiewire.com/biz/2005/10/the_palestinian.html >

Bob Schulz

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