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Cory Shubert

Posts: 5
Registered: Jun 22, 2005

Dunn Bros. contest, not good for artists...
Posted: Jun 22, 2005 4:13 PM

When checking out the rules for entry to the Dunn Bros. contest, this really snagged my eye:

"Property of Entries: All materials that accompany or form part of an entry, including the original artwork, will become the sole property of Dunn Bros Coffee. Accordingly, Dunn Bros Coffee will not return any items entered and will not be responsible for their loss or damage.
License: By submitting an entry, the entrant hereby grants Dunn Bros Coffee an irrevocable, royalty-free, non-exclusive license throughout the world to publish and use the artwork in any Dunn Bros Coffee publication, advertisement, marketing or promotional material, by any means Dunn Bros Coffee chooses, including print, electronic media, broadcast or other format."

How is it that this is a good thing? Create a great work of art, then give it away to a corporation to do with what they like? This is not in the best interest of the artist, but the company. They get your hard work without having to negotiate a fair price for using it to promote their business?

Thanks, but Dunn Bros. can do it on their own...

Cory

Kathryn Browning

Posts: 414
Registered: Apr 22, 2005

Re: Dunn Bros. contest, not good for artists...
Posted: Jun 23, 2005 10:55 AM

No good. Do you even get credit? I'll pass on this one.

Kathryn Browning

Posts: 414
Registered: Apr 22, 2005

Re: Dunn Bros. contest, not good for artists...
Posted: Jun 23, 2005 11:00 AM

In other words, to cheap to pay for fine art. Not worth the free cup of coffee.

Cory Shubert

Posts: 5
Registered: Jun 22, 2005

Re: Dunn Bros. contest, not good for artists...
Posted: Jun 27, 2005 2:08 PM

The real rub is, even if your work is not chosen, they still keep it and own it?

Did anyone at MNarts read this contract? I mean, come on.

I know some people would just say if you don't like the terms, don't enter. Sure, but what about the young artists out there who are getting ripped off, who is looking out for their best interests? Certainly not MNarts I am sad to say...

Cory

jaime longoria

Posts: 1,161
Registered: Oct 7, 2002

Re: Dunn Bros. contest, not good for artists...
Posted: Jun 27, 2005 6:36 PM

> The real rub is, even if your work is not chosen,
> they still keep it and own it?
>
> Did anyone at MNarts read this contract? I mean,
> come on.
>
> I know some people would just say if you don't like
> the terms, don't enter. Sure, but what about the
> young artists out there who are getting ripped off,
> who is looking out for their best interests?
> Certainly not MNarts I am sad to say...
>
> Cory

It is time to unionize Cory.
You need helath insurance, dental would be nice and you need political representation that can afford a lobbyist to advance your needs.

MM Artists Union. Join today:

send an Art postcard to:

MM Artists Union
113 9th avenue North
Hopkins MN 55343

with your return address for free enrollment in the Artists Union, and sign nothing away!

coyote infinity
minnesota chicano artist de sonrisa

Gabriel Combs

Posts: 1,497
Registered: Jun 16, 2002

Re: Dunn Bros. contest, not good for artists...
Posted: Jun 28, 2005 1:14 AM

what kills me is the support your local coffee house bs.

i'll have a venti.

jaime longoria

Posts: 1,161
Registered: Oct 7, 2002

Re: Dunn Bros. contest, not good for artists...
Posted: Jun 28, 2005 9:59 AM

> what kills me is the support your local coffee house
> bs.
>
> i'll have a venti.

Let's propose to the Walkies that they build a "Coffee House" inside thier empty office spaces; we can have you and Ray run it for 3 month run.

You put up Art that you like.

This idea is copyright 2005

coyote infinity

Gabriel Combs

Posts: 1,497
Registered: Jun 16, 2002

Re: Dunn Bros. contest, not good for artists...
Posted: Jun 28, 2005 11:10 AM

> > what kills me is the support your local coffee
> house
> > bs.
> >
> > i'll have a venti.
>
> Let's propose to the Walkies that they build a
> "Coffee House" inside thier empty office spaces; we
> can have you and Ray run it for 3 month run.
>
> You put up Art that you like.
>

Sure.
> This idea is copyright 2005
>
> coyote infinity

Kathryn Browning

Posts: 414
Registered: Apr 22, 2005

Re: Dunn Bros. contest, not good for artists...
Posted: Jun 28, 2005 3:14 PM

one of the better ideas I've heard all day.

Curtis James Ingvoldstad

Posts: 143
From: St. Paul, MN
Registered: Aug 28, 2003

Re: Dunn Bros. contest, not good for artists...
Posted: Jun 29, 2005 11:51 AM

Hey I have an idea.

Why don't we run a contest in which we have coffee shops send us 10lbs of there best coffee. Then we pick the one we like the best. for picking them we own all that type of coffee that they make. So they send it to us and we give it out free at art events around the city and to artists to help give them the energy to create. Well of course they will get their name attached to the coffee for winning. Perfect.

Cory Shubert

Posts: 5
Registered: Jun 22, 2005

Re: Dunn Bros. contest, not good for artists...
Posted: Jun 29, 2005 12:46 PM

Fun to see the tables turned, and just how silly the concept is. Must have been thought up at some corporate meeting were the suites and ties choke off oxygen for rational thinking...

Then again, since none of them ever created any art on their own, it probably wouldn't have sounded crazy during their brainstorming session.

Let's hope MNArts.org will take some time in the future before posting what is supposed to be a great opportunity for the artists they say the are helping to represent, and really read the fine print of the offer. That would be a better way to fulfill their mission statement of:

"...improve the lives of Minnesota artists.." Getting paid for your artwork is the best way I can think of as a way to improve my life.

But, maybe that is just me...
Cory

Douglas Morgan

Posts: 2
From: Houston, Tx
Registered: Jun 29, 2005

Re: Dunn Bros. contest, not good for artists...
Posted: Jun 29, 2005 9:24 PM

Corey,

You need to visit the Dunn Bros Coffee Franchise HQ in Downtown Minneapolis. If you were to meet the people who run the franchise organization, you might feel very silly about your description of these corporate types. These guys are not unlike yourself. Go talk to 'em. I think if you were to voice your grievances directly to them and show the responses your getting, you might get a chance to discuss it directly with the geeks your comparing to suited up corporate types. Trust me, I know them. It is not their intention to rip off anybody. Ask "them" why they started the contest and what they hope to accomplish for themselves, their franchisees and the artists. Perhaps this contest is not meant for professionals like yourself, I cant' say. One thing I do know; you shouldn't promote you side of the story out of ignorance without gathering a few simple facts first. With the exception of 2-3 stores, all of the Dunn Bros Coffee shops are owned by individuals like you and me. Visit www.dunnbros.com and see what I mean.

DM A Dunn Bros Coffee Franchisee

Cory Shubert

Posts: 5
Registered: Jun 22, 2005

Re: Dunn Bros. contest, not good for artists...
Posted: Jun 29, 2005 10:09 PM

Douglas,

I never intended this to turn into a hate Dunn Bros. campaign. And the "gathering a few simple facts" was reading the rules. Seems that should be enough gathering to see that this isn't a great idea for the artists.

While I am sure DB never intended to take advantage of anyone, the contest is wrong in its basic form. Feel free to disagree, but my point is that this is the wrong thing that an arts organization should promote to its members because of the rules.

Professionals or not, no one should be enticed to enter a contest and forfeit their work, simple. Young artists need to learn the biz if they want to survive and attempt to make any kind of living off their craft. My post was to point that out to those who might not read or understand what copyright is and what ownership of that copyright entails.

Cheers,

Cory

jaime longoria

Posts: 1,161
Registered: Oct 7, 2002

Re: Dunn Bros. contest, not good for artists...
Posted: Jun 30, 2005 11:00 AM

> Douglas,
>
> I never intended this to turn into a hate Dunn Bros.
> campaign. And the "gathering a few simple facts" was
> reading the rules. Seems that should be enough
> gathering to see that this isn't a great idea for the
> artists.
>
> While I am sure DB never intended to take advantage
> of anyone, the contest is wrong in its basic form.
> Feel free to disagree, but my point is that this is
> the wrong thing that an arts organization should
> promote to its members because of the rules.
>
> Professionals or not, no one should be enticed to
> enter a contest and forfeit their work, simple.
> Young artists need to learn the biz if they want to
> survive and attempt to make any kind of living off
> their craft. My post was to point that out to those
> who might not read or understand what copyright is
> and what ownership of that copyright entails.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Cory

I want to jump in here and support Cory. Cub Foods is running a simular contest, but they offering substancial prizes. They have thought it out well. And are very "good suits".

Douglas; the real appeal of a coffee shop was it's romantic origins as a cultural nexus. Copernicus in Saint Paul, now the Black Dog are the artist's ideal for a "art and coffee" shop.

The "not suit guys" at Dunn Corporate should ask themselves if the idea could be done a little better; even if it costs a little more money.

Jaime Longoria

Douglas Morgan

Posts: 2
From: Houston, Tx
Registered: Jun 29, 2005

Re: Dunn Bros. contest, not good for artists...
Posted: Jul 1, 2005 2:21 PM

Corey:

The one fact I was referring to was contained in your statement "Must have been thought up at some corporate meeting were the suites and ties choke off oxygen for rational thinking...". If you check out DB, you'll find very rational non-suit and tie types. I don't know the answer here, but people make choices and that means it's good for young artists to have sage advice from those like yourself. Business can be done between people as a win/win situation. Maybe you're the guy to make sure that happens.

DM

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