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Posted: Jan 11, 2004 12:56 AM
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jaime longoria

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Re: What the hell is that? (art book guidance)
Posted: Jan 13, 2004 12:18 PM
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> Jaime, not that it makes any difference, nor am I
> trying to one up your post, but, Armand, Harry his
> brother, and their father, Julius, were all involved
> in laundering money from the Comintern to the CPUSA.
> Julius was a founding member of Communist Labor Party
> in the early twenties. They were a very interesting
> family indeed.
>
> If I may, the "isms" found in the history of art over
> the last hundred and fifty years merely exist, in my
> opinion. Someone, some force, some dogged
> individual, or group, decided that something being
> painted or otherwise made broke away, extended,
> attacked, developed, what had preceded. I don't know
> what can be done about these "isms" "schools" or
> "movements". Sh_t happens, and strong minded,
> sometimes hard working artists, or hard working
> promoters, are able to affect the market and the
> popular appetite for consuming a particular fashion
> of art. Art is a tough game to play. I guess that's
> why so few of so many can succeed.
>
> I've wondered for a while if art would be stronger or
> weaker if there were fewer artists. I think more is
> better. As we reached a certain end of history
> (Fukuyama's idea), we may now be witnessing the end
> of art. (I think someone else said that) Not in the
> sense that there is no more art but rather art as a
> new model, a mosh pit of pluralism, like mud
> wrestling, in transition. It's "anything goes"
> today. Anybody paints. Elephants, whatever. There
> is some craft. Sometimes it seems a contrivance, a
> vehicle constructed to carry a career. Also, the
> extent to which a culture can amuse itself with art,
> is the extent to which it has time and money to burn.
> And, God help us if the middleclass becomes poorer.
> I would not have sold a painting today, which I
> I did. Keep the money rolling and everybody nibbles,
> even me. All I need is a nibble in this rich
> country.
>
> Painting can be learned, but then all you've got is,
> another painter. What seems to fascinate critics is
> cleverness, subtlety, humor, intellect, and then
> craft. But sometimes even the critic feels like
> throwing in the towel.


My compliments sir: your words ring out with calibre and integrety!

Let me wholly endorse your last paragraph. It is a tragedy in the makeing that a new "fad" in Art funding Circles looks to be "Criticism". Much like giving "time" off grants were vogue in the last decade( and what we really got back was Artists leaving the area for better climates) I wonder about the value of feeding "critics".

I lobby heavily for a "market" driven Art community as a better use of funds than the funding of "soft" jobs for over indulged "entitlement" minded individualists.

Onto books: My current joy is "Pre-columbian Art and the Post-Columbian World". I just love the title. Written up to and published in 1993 it is a exciting thesis on looking at Art; She cites pre columbian sources for Moore( Sam take a lookie here) Gaugin( take a peek Mr. Fallon) and Frankie L. Wright( everyone!).

Try your local library and lets cut this topic up!

coyote 256

Sam Spiczka

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From: Sartell, MN
Registered: Jul 20, 2001
Re: What the hell is that? (art book guidance)
Posted: Jan 13, 2004 6:07 PM
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Funny you should mention it, Jaime. I just re-perused my treasured Henry Moore/Hedgecoe book and found another collaboration between them at the library. It has this absolute mesmerizing bust in it. I really should post a pic... I know this is heresy but I'm not interested in Pre-Columbian sculpture. I can appreciate how important it was to Moore early on, but I feel a greater influence by his local landscape in his later, more powerful work. When he connected with nature on a local, personal level and not precedents in an ideological way. I think the way he connected with his home land can serve as a model for me. It could lead to a true Minnesota Sculpture, no?!

Sam

Ray Rolfe

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From: Northeast Minneapolis
Registered: Sep 5, 2001
Re: What the hell is that? (art book guidance)
Posted: Jan 13, 2004 6:18 PM
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Ahh you history guys. While your looking at that, I'm looking at renders and "posers". The new photo-realistic 3d rendered human graphics are amazing. Some so close to life you cannot tell it is not a real person.

jaime longoria

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Re: What the hell is that? (art book guidance)
Posted: Jan 14, 2004 10:30 AM
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> Funny you should mention it, Jaime. I just
> re-perused my treasured Henry Moore/Hedgecoe book and
> found another collaboration between them at the
> library. It has this absolute mesmerizing bust in
> it. I really should post a pic... I know this is
> heresy but I'm not interested in Pre-Columbian
> sculpture. I can appreciate how important it was to
> Moore early on, but I feel a greater influence by his
> local landscape in his later, more powerful work.
> When he connected with nature on a local, personal
> level and not precedents in an ideological way. I
> think the way he connected with his home land can
> serve as a model for me. It could lead to a true
> Minnesota Sculpture, no?!
>
> Sam


You are dead on Sam. I am not recommending Pre- Columbian Art to you as a source for your work, just as I champion it for Chicano Artist, I believe you will be successful in creating your "own" school of Art; but only if you focus on your immediate influences. Most people do not know of my visit to your studio. What I saw was a young artist chasing down nature and process directly! I am sold on you as an artist of integrity, but only as long as you do not go down path of cross cultural rapists who appropriate other cultural legacies and present them as their own. It is what Coyote Cuatro was charged to fight.
It sickens me when artists say they have found the "latino" in themselves and so do "Latino Feeling Work".

The Lions and Eagles have the technical answer to your "nature" driven aesthetic; do not let fashion misguide you.

coyote 256

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Posted: Feb 5, 2004 6:34 PM
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Heavy......a little too heavy for me I'm afraid. I've always subscribed to the "oooooooo, preeeeettty" school of art. As someone with a soul, do you think that makes me shallow? I'm a huge fan of David Lachapelle, DON'T ALL ATTACK ME AT ONCE! While I'm not a photographer, his images are a huge influence on my art. The colors are all so vivid, and the attention to detail so lush I get all shivery and knee shaky after a gool long dip in ole Davy's coffe table books. And don't roll your eyes at that, I'm so not a coffe house poser. I hate coffee, it gives me tummy trouble. So to answer your question in the most roundabout way possible, I'd suggest 'Hotel LaChapelle' or anything by Neil Gorman. No written direction, but lots of heart and eye candy by the pound. WARNING: It's kinda hot pink in nature and a little trippy. Plus, he doesn't have an actual message of anykind. Its more like Beauty for beauty's sake. What's your style? (Although, I bet you're the type that rejects labels?)


PS>I really do feel bad for going all estrogen crazy on you. I am sincerely sorry.


snoogins,
Kai "Bunny" Boots

Kai Boots

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Registered: Sep 23, 2003
Re: What the hell is that? (art book guidance)
Posted: Feb 12, 2004 6:35 PM
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Thanks!

I don't deserve it and that makes me all the more grateful. I loved your story about your grandfather, it was sweet.

later

Kai Boots

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Registered: Sep 23, 2003
Re: What the hell is that? (art book guidance)
Posted: Feb 12, 2004 6:36 PM
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the last message was to the kid I reemed.

Sorry, still getting the hang of this.

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